TIA. 1. - It's also terrible cause some HMs are terrible moves. 729 votes, 65 comments. Ok-Leave3121 • 4 mo. Apparently, its love for fruit resulted in its own outgrowth of fruit. ago. In Gen 4, Tropius: Cut, Defog, Fly, Rock Smash. I don't have the national 'dex yet, so I can't transfer over a Tropius from my Sapphire so I can have an HM Slave with Fly and Defog. Don't listen to anyone saying Tropius or Skarmory. of course i don't. I. #6. Notify me about new: Guides. This Pokédex. "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Between those, I can get all the utility moves I need on two Pokémon. which is like 2 Hours game time. 3) HM slaves. . Second, you want the HM Slaves that complement your party. Tropius lvl. But if you're not a fan, Roserade is pretty strong as well. Reply reply falinangel505 • My friend just explained it to me in the 5 minutes it took my comment cooldown to reset. As for HM slaves, Bibarel and Tropius can learn all 8 combined (Tropius - Fly, Defog, Cut, Rock Climb / Bibarel - Surf, Waterfall, Strength, Rock Smash). GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Atk. surgemaster140 8 years ago #4. Mirage312 15 years ago #2 Zigzagzoon for cut, surf, rocksmash. The bunches of fruit around Tropius’s neck are very popular with children. . Tropius needs fly and defog while Bibarel needs waterfall and surf. (comes in handy in R/B/Y for facing Articuno if you give it a different fourth move) In the Third Generation games, he's still pretty good, because he can learn: Surf. Corn (Shiny so it looks like a kernel of corn) Garchomp - Super joe (From Commando and Bionic Commando) Female Garchomp - Honey Porygon2 - Bluebyrd (A kind of Plum, and another name for Duck sauce is Plum sauce, also it's shiny so it's blue) Porygon-z - Kid Dynamo Female Scizor - Vanessa (Scizor is a Mantis, Orchid Mantis is a. Wich combination of two pokemons should I use so they can get all the HMs? I also want to avoid Bibarel, Tropius and Gyarados, because I used them in Platinum and I want something different. ago. Especially Strength, because once you push in a boulder, it stays in. Best HM slaves? Thread starter hlzwalkie; Start date Apr 12, 2007; 1; 2; Next. I like Bibarel and Tropius myself, although I'm sure there are better. For Pokemon SoulSilver Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Best HM Slave, Heart gold board?". For Pokemon HeartGold Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius". Since those aren't easy to get, you should just have two HM Slaves. He can learn Cut, Fly, Strength, Flash, and Rock Smash. Tropius needs fly and defog while Bibarel needs waterfall and surf. Basically, the most useful HMs that’ll come in handy throughout your journeys. As Fly Users go, only Tropius and Salamence are non-legendaries that learn at least 4 HMs. Rather than checking their Pokedex pages, instead I can go on the HM Slave page and enter "Ludicolo" and "Tropius", and it'll show up as Tropius being able to learn Cut and Fly, while Ludicolo can learn Surf, Strength, Waterfall and Dive, and the last HM - Rock Smash. From Lilycove, Tropius requires backtracking through R120 > Fortree City > R119. i recommed bibarel, ferret or linoone for cut, surf, strength, rock smash & whirlpool (HGSS) where bibarel is the most usefull HM slave because he can also learn waterfall and rock climb. Tropius: Fruit Pokémon 2 HP Height Weight Gender Egg Group(s) 6'07" 2. Thanks, I actually didn't even realize!!! If I can ask another question, what are your thoughts on this lineup: Swampert, Gardevoir, Aggron, Salamence, Breloom (not sure about this one), and Tropius as an HM slave? I'm not really sure about Breloom tbh, and I'm also considering adding Flygon just for fun. #1. " Amanda Palmer FC #1: 0516-7414-5138 FC#2:3282-3568-7022. Later on if you catch a Tropius, use that as an HM slave as it can learn HM. It evolves from Tropius with high friendship. Plus it get's the ability Pick-up. Switch FC: SW-6466-0014-8328. re: Best HM Slave? Bibarel and Tropius are the best two to use. Sharpedo, as an HM Slave, could learn all the water HMs along with Strength and Rock Smash. Tropius is probably one of the worst options available though. Make a note that Tropius cannot be found at Night (20:00-03:59). It was just Linoone for a while, but I brought in Ludicolo for Dive and Waterfall. Despite these setbacks, the devs blessed Tropius with a powerful evolution in Pokémon Procyon and Pokémon Deneb. Anyone know of an easily accessed hm slave that can learn cut and fly? (And defog too, but it ain't a big deal) I know tropius can learn both, but it comes kind of late in game I. Zigzagoon is also a good HM slave, and he's found in ORAS and XY. For Pokemon Platinum Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius?". Bibarel and Tropius have been my Platinum HM slaves -- I was lucky enough to catch a Tropius in the Marsh so that worked wonderfully. What are the two best HM slaves, like 2 pokemon that can use all the hms between them and what are the best places to find them at?. The name Tropius should be Borelius or Borealius for the variant. Sign in with the following networks. I saw a similar set up for gen 4 between tropius and wailmer. I think corphish can also learn cut too. Wenitzb. hey every one i am looking to hear you views on who is the best hm slave? fc -3008 4707 8173. Bibarel, he/she can know all uneccesary HM moves, i havelike 3 bibarels specifically made to be slaves, but with different combinations of HMs. Hiyakkie on the other hand can learn Surf, Waterfall, and Dive. That's all 7 HMs in your party at once! -. ago. There have been changes to the pronoun field in user profiles. Waterfall- Goldeen and Seaking can already learn it. 4. Teach him Sunny Day and Solar Beam. To carry 8 HM moves at once, the best HM slaves are Tropius and Swampert. >_> And don't say "lol 4x Ice weakness". BANANYAN is a randomized Pokémon that debuted in Patterrz's 2 Hour Pokémon Emerald challenge livestream, which streamed live on July 2nd 2021. Skarmory can also work instead of Tropius. The only HM moves worth using in competitive battle are Surf and Waterfall. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some. Bibarel and Tropius. Cons - Swanna isn't that great in battle, due to below average stats in everything except Speed. you can just buy them on gtl too. . Neither Tropius nor Lapras are good for Competitive Battling. This is the place for most…Ziggy is the best for the early game, other than him I'd suggest a water type like corphish or tentacool for whirlpool, dive, waterfall and surf. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some. KillerFugu • 4 yr. - The amount of grinding you. r/pokemon is an unofficial Pokémon fan community. Golduck has webbed feet, making it a fast swimmer. re: Best HM Slave? Bibarel and Tropius are the best two to use. however for utility reasons a grass type w/ sweet sent might be called for So Oddish would be a good choice or Tropius as an HM slave per Eon flute. Between them they learn all of the HMs. If your team already has 5 or 6 battling Pokemon, I recommend replacing your Swellow with an HM slave so that your other Pokemon can gain more experience. 5th gen wasnt fully unnecessary to carry hm slaves around, but i'd say Watchog, since it gets a fair few HM's, as does ducklett. I used Smeargle as my HM slave. but they're probably not what you're looking for. If you're looking for the Sword & Shield or Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl, Check out Tropius Pokémon Sword & Shield data. " Element-17 Tropius + Tentacool also have all 8 HMs and Golduck much rarer than Tentacool. 4 Greninja. It's one of the best possible HM slaves though, taking care of all the non-water HMs. Mystic_Esper 14 years ago #20. "If you have a Golduck and Tropius, then you can teach those two all 8 HMs. . roflcopter9001 • 9 yr. WizardofHoth 8 years ago #9. Tropius and Tentacool are perfect HM slaves. I use sharpedo for surf dive waterfall rock smash and i use tropius for fly strength cuti and sweet scent (ev horde. [deleted] • 4 yr. Usually also gets Strength, rock smash, and cut/defog. Dang, I was afraid of that. Tropius has Strength, Cut, Fly, Rock Smash. tropius is also a good hm slave. Switch FC:SW-4440-8273-6335 name: Koby. Wingull meanwhile is 'nearer' in R120 or within Lilycove itself, and the OP's original statement was: "I need the NEAREST Pokemon that can learn fly". Well, there's only 6 HM's in BW - Cut, Fly, Surf, Strength, Waterfall, Dive. Chinchou has Surf, Waterfall, Dive, Flash. My Crystal version Krabby has: Surf. Tropius - Cut / Fly / Strength / Rock Smash Rayquaza - Fly / Surf / Strength / Waterfall / Rock Smash / Dive Fast Money Trainer's Eye: When rematching these trainers, you will automatically face their strongest team if you have defeated the Elite Four. Bibarel and Tropius, perfect synergy of HM slave. "If you have a Golduck and Tropius, then you can teach those two all 8 HMs. Do you guys usually keep your HM slaves with you and only fight with 4 good pokemon and then use the other 2 just for HMs? Mario Maker 2: SteveKoopa: ID 6K7-PR2-TWG Smash Ultimate Mains: Samus, Lucas, JokerFor Pokemon Omega Ruby on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius w/ Leech Seed via Dexnav impossible???". . In the event that the OP wasn't after a throwaway HM slave. . jonosaurus • 9 yr. Like Ludicolo, Crawdaunt can also learn six out of the eight HMs in the game. Apr 29, 2013 #1 Until HM moves are made unnecessary for going through the games their will always be pokemon who will only be caught for the sake of muling the. 4 Greninja. I suggest slakoth and tropius. I'm using empoleon as a hm slave in my next run xD. Tropius learns the HMs Cut, Fly, Strength, Flash, and Rock Smash. Sign in with the following networks. c; Original File 174 KB 450x200, . ago. Children of the southern tropics eat as snacks the fruit that grows in bunches around the neck of Tropius. Grass/Dragon would be an awesome type combo, and Tropius already looks like a dragon. The dashing dinosaur has a decent enough HP stat too, as well as a banana beard that honestly makes me a bit jealous. I want Tropius to have a use again so I can just use my old Mew as an HM slave again anyway. "You either die a noob, or live long enough to see yourself become a hacker. Reply5. The 15 Best Pokemon To Learn Cut. If you are at or can get to Pastoria City, you're halfway there! You can catch both a Bibarel and a Tropius in the Great Marsh. 5th Gen Dex. Bibarrel. Tropius is among my favorite HM slaves, but my Meganium was a beast going through the HG/SS metagame recently. Because it's annoying having HM slaves, I cheated a big and traded over the two for my playthrough SoulSilver. For Pokemon Black Version 2 on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Rate My White Version 2 In Game Team". Ray Rizzo and James Baek did videos about a hard to break Tropius this Gen. In addition, Tropius has been switched into the party in exchange for Shinx as Tropius is now the main HM Slave. Rock Smash, Strength, Dive, Waterfall, and the fastest Surf in the game. . I've got octillery (Cthulhu), houndoom (hell-hound), sableye (hobgoblin), galvantula (spider, duh), swoobat…I meant awesome looking. Wishcash holds a special place in my heart thanks to its involvement in the old Mystery Dungeon games, and the fact that it looks like a stoned Pokémon version of Wario. Fly. Bibarel and Tropius. Of the four lines, I like the Furret line the best as a bottom line, though the Bidoof line is better at being HM slaves. You can get a Bidoof very early in-game, and Bibarel pop up not long after. Wailord (HM slave and Heal/Switch sacrifice) Tropius (Cut and Heal/Switch sacrifice) Open slot until I can get Umbreon. Examples of ones that will do: Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, Psyduck/Golduck. Surf is on my water pokemon (Lapras). Please don't mention mew, I don't have one, but any two that are great HM slaves would be much appreciated thanks. Linoone can learn a lot of HM moves and also has a very useful pickup ability. I don't remember which games the Skarmory and Tropius are best for because I think it was game specific due to HM changes, but they work great. Smiley-Fakemon on DeviantArt Smiley-FakemonFor Pokemon Platinum Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "hm slaves u use" - Page 2. One word. This is the place for most…For example, I have a Ludicolo, Mightyena and Tropius ready for HM Slaving. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some weeks ago so we can't roll the forums back. . My only shiny I have is a shiny bidoof, it must be a sign from the gods. There are 8 HMs so i'm guessing i would need one with wings to fly and another sorry little. Questions. I use two as of 4th gen, Bibarel and Tropius. Rock Smash. Dwell in peace in the home of your own being, and the messenger of Death will not be able to touch you. 3rd Gen Dex. notyalemblem 14 years ago #7. They can both easily be caught pre-elite 4, and between them can learn all 8 HMs. Post Posted: Nov 22, 2009 6:42 pm. Lugia (I have a few, I use one that has Surf and Fly), Onix (has the odd TM too I think), Linoone (with pickup). Tropius together with any of a large number of water Pokemon. Swampert: Strength, Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb. Tropius has been a solid HM slave choice in almost every appearance it has made since its inception. if you have access to ruby/sapphire/emerald, get a tropius. though tropius works, as well as a few others. So now you need a Dive. OK not a LOT less. I could use serebii to check for pokemon that can learn both, but I'm on my phone and can barely load gamefaqs, let alone serebii :X19. After that you can just dump the rest of the HMs on Tropius or Linoone, and it's easy enough to breed/train a new Gyarados for the post-game if that tickles your fancy (or just use the move deleter). You can't it is a hoenn Pokemon you have to trade with somebody who has a Pokemon emerald, Sapphire or ruby game card or you can get it. 2nd gen i used krabby for surf/cut/strength/whirlpool and tentacool for whirlpool/waterfall/surf (though most waters do this) 3rd gen Tropius, cut/flash/fly/strength (or rock smash) 4th bibarel, easily. Skarslave. Its moves are all HMs. Bibaral is the GOAT HM slave. 3DS Friend Code: 3668-8577-0665. Tropius has zero competitively useful sets in singles or doubles in pretty much any conceivable format. The reason being is he can actually USE that Attack stat. This is why we need HMs back. garydose (watefall gives it one of the very few advantages that it can wreck with a HM) dragonite (1 of the 2 pokemon that learn every HM) arceus (a third pokemon that learns all HM's In the 4th gen ) hydrigon. I got to thinking about this last night and thought I would see what you guys thought. Get a Starly for Fly and Defog. 3DS FC: 5155 2932 6518. Then you just need any water type that gets Surf/Waterfall/Dive and maybe Flash/Secret Power for good measure! This, normally, includes two pokemon that I use as slaves, because during the whole adventure, I like that they get all the HMs. Most Grass and Water pokemon cover those 4 plus Waterfall together. Tropius is pretty useful. CeruleanGamer 8 years ago #5. Haha I think I just remembered from the Gyarados + Tropius HM slave pairing in Gen 3. SNRGTCgamer posted. gbchaosmaster. Bidoof evolves into Bibarel at level 15, making him the most versatile HM slave. Sign Up for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. The only Mon that makes for a better HM slave is Mew, but it's a mythical with limited distribution, so unless you use cheats, you can't get one in any of the games that had HMs. The HM Slave everyone uses received an evolution in Procyon and Deneb. Fruitius is an interesting thing to say the least. #5. This is my favourite HM Slave because it works great in conjunction with. Most notably the ones people use the most. They just need to make him Grass/Dragon already. Bibarel + Tropius = good HM slaves, but which moves do I give each?? For Pokemon Platinum Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Bibarel + Tropius = good HM slaves, but. Bibarel and Tropius can cover all 8 HMs together. Re: HM Whore Showdown! It's probably best not to use language like that in the thread/poll title. Erk2225 8 years ago #7. (Not all of these are HM moves but they are still useful for inside caves!) Give Raichu Flash, Dig, Rock Smash, and Strength. . or create a new account Register; Sign in with:For Pokemon Emerald Version on the Game Boy Advance, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "best hm slaves?". As long as there aren't any new HMs, I'll be happy. I saw a similar set up for gen 4 between tropius and wailmer. Tropius Pokémon has the ability to fly and you can catch it at level 2 with PokéBall. Callista08 posted. 2. Fretka Disabled: User Name Change Posts: 6068. Insert any pokemon that can learn Fly and Defog (DPP) at the lowest level possible. How about a regional form? Nibounium • 4 mo. Tropius, and Salamence. If anything, remember that those two aforementioned HM slaves are all you really need. He could work, just watch out for ice attacks. if you have access to sinnoh and trading, definately these 2. Hope this. Tropius - cut - fly - flash - strength/rock smash Water Pokemon - surf - dive - waterfall - strength/rock smash *Means that they don't get strength or rock smash, but they get another HM (Tentacool - cut, Chinchou - flash) that Tropius can also learn so Tropius can double up on strength and rock smash and the water can use the other HM. I usually don't have an HM slave. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some. It learns: Rock Smash (D/P/Pt/HG/SS) Cut (all games) Strength (all games) Whirlpool (HG/SS). For a cave HM slave, use Raichu. Emerald_Melios 7 years ago #9. Tropius was the GOAT HM slave back in Gen 3, but has fallen into obscurity since. Tropius HM slave that can learn 5 of the 7 including fly. This is useful for deciding on an HM Slave - a Pokémon knowing only HM. Ok-Leave3121 • 4 mo. For Pokemon Black Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "New play through suggestions". (Water Types, so yeah) can get whatever you didn't give Tropius. Marill Surf Dive Waterfall Strenght. Board Topics. You could try Skarmory with Cut/Fly/Rock. Magcargo ((HM Support Ability: Flame Body EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD Careful Nature - Rock Smash - Strength - Will-O-Wisp - Stockpile HM SLAVE Pelipper Ability: Keen Eye - Fly - Surf J Smeargle (can learn everything) Dragonite (Fly Waterfall Streght etc etc) Golduck (Flash, Surf etc etc) Zigzagoon Level: 100Eww dont put HMs on your good pokemon A bunch of people, myself included, have an "HM Slave" in our parties that just sits there and uses all the HMs like Cut, Rock Smash, etc that are horrible move-wise. ---. For Pokemon X on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius=Best HM Slave in the series. Tropius making it in would be random as fuck but I'm here for it. DATA_ERROR. Tropius is exclusive to Platinum; if you only have access to Diamond and/or Pearl, you can't get it. Tbh I'll never regret buying the HM flutes, so nice not having an HM slave. Psyduck Surf Flash Waterfall Dive. Anyway I am playing PkM Silver right now, so I thought what Pokemon wold be best for HM slave for gen2 PkM games, or gen3, gen1 ;153;Who, in your opinion, is the best hm slave? I'm using the Shiny gyarados (Rock Smash, Strength, Surf, and Whirlpool) Pokemon Black FC: 2666 1617 9618. This means the perfect HM partner to Sharpedo is Mew, Arceus, Zekrom, Tropius or Skarmory, assuming you want Flash. Legendary_Musas 8 years ago #5. I was also thinking about Pikachu, but it doesn't learn Cut. The latter being an option if you did not pick mudkip. You never know if there are cheating devices lurking in. ago. If you want a flying 'HM slave' Tropius is great too: Fly, Strength, Rock Smash and Cut. This is my favourite HM Slave because it works great in conjunction with almost any water Pokemon. Tyazinzard 14 years ago #19. 6. The two cover every HM. Which HM slaves are best to use in Heartgold? Tropius, Golduck, and Furret are some of the best HM slaves to use in Heartgold. In PokeMMO literature, utility Pokemons focused on HMs called HM slave. This is a topic dumping on Tropius, but honestly, I think this topic is failing to appreciate what a true failure of a Pokemon Tropius is. Fun fact: you can have all hm's on just 2 pokemon in gen 3. Reserve the weak hms like rock. KokyuDosa14 years ago#6. Pancham is pretty good early on, Strength, Cut, Rock Smash and Surf. i use tropius and wailord. Bibarel - Cut, Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb Tropius - Fly, Strength, Defog, Rock Smash But it looks like with a different HM05, I'll have to change their movesets slightly: Bibarel - Surf, Whirlpool, Waterfall, Rock Climb Tropius - Cut, Fly, Strength, Rock SmashDragonite. The Temporary HM Slave is for Fly and Defog until you can get a Tropius from Pastoria's Great Marsh (Areas 1 & 2). HM's and Field Moves:-SURF -WATERFALL -WHIRLPOOL -ROCK SMASH -HEADBUTT -TELEPORT -FLY -ROCK CLIMB -DIG-MILK DRINK -SOFTBOILED -CUT -STRENGTH -FLASH DIG = useful and awesome, rather a must to have on something as it makes ESCAPE ROPE "useless"; give an EVERSTONE to a Diglett or use TM 28 on an ONIX. Hi all Just a notice, we recently discovered that someone got into a moderator account and started hard deleting a load of key and legacy threads. The latter being an option if you did not pick mudkip. Defog. Just make sure you have a HM slave. jonosaurus • 9 yr. 3DS FC: 4983-6268-7938 (PM if you add me!). Gotta give thanks to Tropius. Nidoking/Furret - Cut, Surf, Strength, Rock Climb/SmashRaikou the Thunder Tiger strikes again. Despite these setbacks, the devs blessed Tropius with a powerful evolution in Pokémon Procyon and Pokémon Deneb. Hoenn FTW. 4. Welcome to the Masquerade. tropius is also a good hm slave. Mid-game to end: Tropius (Cut, Fly, Strength, Rock Smash) I used a Sharpedo with Tropius to carry the 3 water HMs to cover all bases. Tropius can learn Rock Smash, Cut, Fly, Defog and Strength. My most notable examples are probably and Impoleon and the HGSS red gyarados. I don't remember which games the Skarmory and Tropius are best for because I think it was game specific due to HM changes, but they work great. I'm against a separate list for HM-slaves for that very reason. Dwell in peace in the home of your own being, and the messenger of Death will not be able to touch you. Truth is exclusive by nature, for if it accepts non-truth, it nulls itself and the very concept of truth. . Chlorophyll plus solar beam, is a pure hax. Cut. r/pokemon is an unofficial Pokémon fan community. I only use Fly on it. Bibarel is an extremely good HM slave, but he's only found in Gen 4. Tyazinzard 14 years ago #19. For Pokemon HeartGold Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Best HM Slaves for HG/SS?". Mew is the obvious choice. Miruhog and Doyruzu can learn 2 - Cut, and Strength. Bibarel is the easiest to obtain, and it can learn Cut, Surf, Strength, Rock Smash, Waterfall, and Rock Climb. I found Linoone quite useful as a HM slave, with the Pick-Up ability as a bonus. roflcopter9001 • 9 yr. I saw a similar set up for gen 4 between tropius and wailmer. 4. Dk bout other gens but Gen I you can do Slowpoke/bro and Farfetch’d. Tropius Fly Cut Strenght Flash. The game is way faster this way and with the 2 mules I never have to worry for HM. Also, a super effective brick break is usually weaker than a STAB return. 5M subscribers in the pokemon community. You can then pick anything in the top 15 or so on the chart (and others below, depending on which 3rd/4th moves you give. 55 votes, 30 comments. Bunches of delicious fruit grow around its neck. A new personal favorite I have been using is Tropius. best hm slaves? Pokemon Ruby Version Game Boy Advance. 1. Cut. Egg Moves. Zigzagoon is a good HM slave in the beginning. To Sharpedos and Linoones everywhere, we say thankyou. In the arena of logic, I fight un-armed. that's about it. Definitely needs a glow-up. Bibarel by pretty much. Fly is also usable in game, now that it is 90 base power, but don't use it competitively. Oct 12, 2010. If your game has multiple water HMs, then use lapras. So far I like using Linoone. Between them they learn all of the HMs. Since Tropius will be my HM Slave for Fly, I would like to have Leech Seed on Tropius. Use Flash to light up dark caves and use Dig to easily escape caves without using an escape rope! Hope I. Bibarel (Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb, Rock Smash) and Tropius (Fly, Defog, Strength, Cut). The two together can cover everything, and each of them on their own can learn. "Mega, I don't need you to defend me. zigoon best hm slave in hoeen. For Pokemon Platinum Version on the DS, a GameFAQs Q&A question titled "Help with my team, please?". Reply. Hi all Just a notice, we recently discovered that someone got into a moderator account and started hard deleting a load of key and legacy threads. Golduck: Surf, Strength, Whirlpool, Rock Smash, Waterfall, Rock Climb. Optimally, Tropius is given some type of stab move -Giga Drain is a good choice-, substitute to take advantage of free (if going first) substitutes 50% of the time -100% of the time if under sun-, Roost for easy instant recovery and weakness reduction, and a coverage move of some sort. As Fly Users go, only Tropius and Salamence are non-legendaries that learn at least 4 HMs. Callista08 7 years ago #2. Defog cannot be used outside of battle without the Fen Badge in Diamond and Pearl and the Relic Badge in Platinum . Strangely enough, there’s one other Pokemon in the series that learns Cut without needing an HM, largely because this Pokemon debuted after the developers removed HMs from the series. Joined Jan 14, 2006 Messages 126 Reaction score 0. However, Tropius is probably the best HM slave because it learns Cut, Fly, Strength, Rock Smash, and Flash (all the non-water HMs). Slaves of the hm species are the most powerful and trustworthy creatures of their kind. customise me! customise me! I wasted a Salamence as my HM Slave. This Pokédex is for Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver. -Guru Nanak.